The lies and bullshit of Francis Lee Turbo, Part 999
OK. As promised, I am going to repost edited versions of my most important RGP posts on Ramashiva Rules. If you would like to comment on this post in a moderated troll-free environment, please post your comments on this weblog. If you would like to join the fray in the completely unmoderated, uncensored environment of usenet, please point a newsreader such as Outlook Express to rec.gambling.poker and look for a post with author = William Coleman and title = OT: The lies and bullshit of Francis Lee Turbo, Part 999.
Or you can use a web interface like Google Groups or recpoker. Here is an edited version of my RGP post --
There are many mendacious hatemongers on RGP, but Francis Lee Turbo outshines them all. I have completely deconstructed literally hundreds of his posts, giving him authoritative links showing he is wrong. He is impervious to my corrections. He continues to spout his lies, even after I have proven to him that he is making false statements.
Mr. Turbo's mind is so clouded by listening to the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter that he has completely lost contact with reality. Rush Limbaugh's influence is particularly pervasive. If you doubt this, just listen to Rush's show for a few days. You will find that not only is Mr. Turbo parroting exactly what Limpballs says, he uses the exact same phraseology.
I have Mr. Turbo killfiled. I have offered him probation from my killlfile if he agrees to post as "Rush Limbaugh" and to abide by my rules for probationary trolls --
Don't talk back.
Don't argue with me.
Do what I say.
These are perfectly reasonable rules for a lying maggot like Mr. Turbo, but he would rather fly under the radar and spread his lies and bullshit on RGP unchallenged. I will not allow him to do this. I almost never reply to his hateful spew since I offered probation to all my killfile prisoners.
When I see an especially egregious and mendacious post from Mr. Turbo when reading a thread with Google Groups, I have to use recpoker to reply to him with my original RGP posting identity, "ramashiva".
Here is a particularly devastating deconstruction I did of one of Mr. Turbo's recent replies to me. It is the definitive deconstruction by the original Ramashiva of Mr. Turbo's latest mendacious spew --
OK. I am going to break my rule and reply to you, even though you are not posting as "Rush Limbaugh" as requested. I am not going to let you fly under the radar and spread your Nazi lies and bullshit on this newsgroup unchallenged.
If Francis Lee Turbo posts again in this thread, would someone please bump his post, quoting the entire post, so I can reply to it without having to use recpoker?
Further comments interspersed.
On Aug 8 2006 4:18 AM, FL Turbo wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:02:14 GMT, "William Coleman" wrote:
Ramashiva -- There is no question that Ann Coulter is a pathological liar. Literally hundreds of her lies have been definitively documented. Yet mindless supporters and apologists for the She Wolf of the SS, such as Eric "Treeboy" LIEbeler, claim that Coulter is no more dishonest than other prominent journalists and talking heads, such as Dan Rather and Paul Krugman. This is nonsense. Both Rather and Krugman are at the pinnacle of their profession. They both make every effort to get their facts straight. Of course they don't always succeed. They are only human. When an error is pointed out, they acknowledge and correct the error. Coulter never admits she is wrong about anything.
Turbo -- Dan Rather at the pinnacle?
Not at this precise moment. Until he left the CBS anchor chair, he most certainly was at the pinnacle of his profession. Not only was he the anchor and chief editor of the most prestigeous network TV news department in the world for 26 years, he also held a prestigeous slot on the premier TV news magazine, 60 Minutes.
Turbo -- GMAFB
I have already told you that the only breaks you can ever expect from me are broken legs and a crushed skull.
Turbo -- Rather fell off the pinnacle when he was so anxious to help the Demos defeat Bush that he let Mapes talk him into publishing a bogus document.
Oh bullshit. Are you suggesting that either Rather or Mapes were aware the documents were forgeries? There is absolutely no evidence that this is the case. Rather was off on another story and didn't even see the documents until the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. Rather relied on his senior producer, Mapes, to authenticate the documents. Rather is one man. He cannot do everything. The most you can accuse Mapes and CBS of is failure to perform due diligence in determining the provenance and authenticity of the documents.
Turbo -- Rather and Mapes still to this day cannot admit their document was a fraud.
That's because the documents have never been proven to be forgeries. I agree it is very likely the documents are forgeries, but that is far from proven, despite Charle's Johnson's flashing alternation between the documents and the computer generated equivalents.
Look, the documents provided to Burkett were already copies of originals. He then xeroxed these copies and destroyed the copies which he received. Then he faxed these copies of copies to CBS, which uploaded these faxes of copies of copies to the CBS website.
Do you understand how many analog to digital and digital to analog conversions were involved in this process? There is simply no way to conclusively authenticate or disauthenticate a fax of a copy of a copy.
Further, suppose someone retyped the originals on a computer to disguise the source of the documents. Would they then not be "fake but accurate"?
That is exactly what happened with the Downing Street Memoranda, you know. They were purposely retyped to avoid any clue as to who supplied the documents to the press. Yet Tony Blair himself has confirmed that the Downing Street Memoranda are authentic.
So, no. The CBS/Rather documents on Bush's TANG service have not conclusively been shown to be forgeries, regardless of what Charles Johnson says.
Turbo -- That fraud has only been eclipsed lately by the photoshopped Reuters photos.
Please do not introduce irrelevant red herrings into the discussion.
Turbo -- Krugman is a formerly respected economist who has degenerated into a laughably partisan hack writer.
That is merely your right-wing opinion. In the real world, Professor Krugman is still one of the most respected economists in the world. In the real world, Krugman still holds the most prestigeous job in journalism -- a regular column on the New York Times Op-Ed page.
Stop thinking that everyone with whom you disagree is an idiot. Professor Krugman is far more intelligent and far better educated than you are or ever will be.
Ramashiva -- Here is a good article from Media Matters, a George Soros operation, which documents some of Coulter's lies --
Turbo -- At least you admit that Media Matters is funded by the Commie George Soros.
Now that's funny. How many billions is Soros worth? Soros is the purest of capitalists, yet you label him a Communist because you disagree with his politics. Are you aware that the Nazis used the exact same tactic of labeling their political opponents Communists? This is one of many reasons why I label you a Nazi.
Turbo -- Ann Coulter is great at shining the light of truth on the Liberal/Leftists.
Oh please. As I have documented in my OP and other posts, Coulter is a pathological liar and hatemonger who is incapable of telling the truth about what liberals say and think.
Turbo -- You can tell by the way they go into a hissy fit when she exposes their little game.
The She Wolf of the SS exposes nothing except her own pathological hatred and dishonesty. Liberals react to Coulter negatively because they do not appreciate her constant lies about liberals. We do not appreciate being labeled traitors, terrorist sycophants, and Godless.
We do not appreciate this twisted Nazi bitch being given network airtime to call for the assassination of the Editor of the New York Times because she doesn't approve of the NYT exposing the illegal, unconstitutional, warrantless wiretapping program.
We do not appreciate the She Wolf of the SS calling for the death of a Supreme Court Justice because she disagrees with a judicial decision.
We do not appreciate her saying her only regret about Timothy McVeigh is that he did not park the Ryder Truck in front of the NYT building.
First of all, she is openly saying she would approve of a terrorist act which would result in the deaths of hundreds of NYT employees.
Second of all, she is saying her ONLY regret about McVeigh is where he parked the Ryder truck. In other words, she has no regrets at all that over 100 employees of the federal government were killed by the Oklahoma City bombing.
These are the reasons why liberals are upset with Ann Coulter.
Ramashiva
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Or you can use a web interface like Google Groups or recpoker. Here is an edited version of my RGP post --
There are many mendacious hatemongers on RGP, but Francis Lee Turbo outshines them all. I have completely deconstructed literally hundreds of his posts, giving him authoritative links showing he is wrong. He is impervious to my corrections. He continues to spout his lies, even after I have proven to him that he is making false statements.
Mr. Turbo's mind is so clouded by listening to the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter that he has completely lost contact with reality. Rush Limbaugh's influence is particularly pervasive. If you doubt this, just listen to Rush's show for a few days. You will find that not only is Mr. Turbo parroting exactly what Limpballs says, he uses the exact same phraseology.
I have Mr. Turbo killfiled. I have offered him probation from my killlfile if he agrees to post as "Rush Limbaugh" and to abide by my rules for probationary trolls --
Don't talk back.
Don't argue with me.
Do what I say.
These are perfectly reasonable rules for a lying maggot like Mr. Turbo, but he would rather fly under the radar and spread his lies and bullshit on RGP unchallenged. I will not allow him to do this. I almost never reply to his hateful spew since I offered probation to all my killfile prisoners.
When I see an especially egregious and mendacious post from Mr. Turbo when reading a thread with Google Groups, I have to use recpoker to reply to him with my original RGP posting identity, "ramashiva".
Here is a particularly devastating deconstruction I did of one of Mr. Turbo's recent replies to me. It is the definitive deconstruction by the original Ramashiva of Mr. Turbo's latest mendacious spew --
OK. I am going to break my rule and reply to you, even though you are not posting as "Rush Limbaugh" as requested. I am not going to let you fly under the radar and spread your Nazi lies and bullshit on this newsgroup unchallenged.
If Francis Lee Turbo posts again in this thread, would someone please bump his post, quoting the entire post, so I can reply to it without having to use recpoker?
Further comments interspersed.
On Aug 8 2006 4:18 AM, FL Turbo wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:02:14 GMT, "William Coleman" wrote:
Ramashiva -- There is no question that Ann Coulter is a pathological liar. Literally hundreds of her lies have been definitively documented. Yet mindless supporters and apologists for the She Wolf of the SS, such as Eric "Treeboy" LIEbeler, claim that Coulter is no more dishonest than other prominent journalists and talking heads, such as Dan Rather and Paul Krugman. This is nonsense. Both Rather and Krugman are at the pinnacle of their profession. They both make every effort to get their facts straight. Of course they don't always succeed. They are only human. When an error is pointed out, they acknowledge and correct the error. Coulter never admits she is wrong about anything.
Turbo -- Dan Rather at the pinnacle?
Not at this precise moment. Until he left the CBS anchor chair, he most certainly was at the pinnacle of his profession. Not only was he the anchor and chief editor of the most prestigeous network TV news department in the world for 26 years, he also held a prestigeous slot on the premier TV news magazine, 60 Minutes.
Turbo -- GMAFB
I have already told you that the only breaks you can ever expect from me are broken legs and a crushed skull.
Turbo -- Rather fell off the pinnacle when he was so anxious to help the Demos defeat Bush that he let Mapes talk him into publishing a bogus document.
Oh bullshit. Are you suggesting that either Rather or Mapes were aware the documents were forgeries? There is absolutely no evidence that this is the case. Rather was off on another story and didn't even see the documents until the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. Rather relied on his senior producer, Mapes, to authenticate the documents. Rather is one man. He cannot do everything. The most you can accuse Mapes and CBS of is failure to perform due diligence in determining the provenance and authenticity of the documents.
Turbo -- Rather and Mapes still to this day cannot admit their document was a fraud.
That's because the documents have never been proven to be forgeries. I agree it is very likely the documents are forgeries, but that is far from proven, despite Charle's Johnson's flashing alternation between the documents and the computer generated equivalents.
Look, the documents provided to Burkett were already copies of originals. He then xeroxed these copies and destroyed the copies which he received. Then he faxed these copies of copies to CBS, which uploaded these faxes of copies of copies to the CBS website.
Do you understand how many analog to digital and digital to analog conversions were involved in this process? There is simply no way to conclusively authenticate or disauthenticate a fax of a copy of a copy.
Further, suppose someone retyped the originals on a computer to disguise the source of the documents. Would they then not be "fake but accurate"?
That is exactly what happened with the Downing Street Memoranda, you know. They were purposely retyped to avoid any clue as to who supplied the documents to the press. Yet Tony Blair himself has confirmed that the Downing Street Memoranda are authentic.
So, no. The CBS/Rather documents on Bush's TANG service have not conclusively been shown to be forgeries, regardless of what Charles Johnson says.
Turbo -- That fraud has only been eclipsed lately by the photoshopped Reuters photos.
Please do not introduce irrelevant red herrings into the discussion.
Turbo -- Krugman is a formerly respected economist who has degenerated into a laughably partisan hack writer.
That is merely your right-wing opinion. In the real world, Professor Krugman is still one of the most respected economists in the world. In the real world, Krugman still holds the most prestigeous job in journalism -- a regular column on the New York Times Op-Ed page.
Stop thinking that everyone with whom you disagree is an idiot. Professor Krugman is far more intelligent and far better educated than you are or ever will be.
Ramashiva -- Here is a good article from Media Matters, a George Soros operation, which documents some of Coulter's lies --
Turbo -- At least you admit that Media Matters is funded by the Commie George Soros.
Now that's funny. How many billions is Soros worth? Soros is the purest of capitalists, yet you label him a Communist because you disagree with his politics. Are you aware that the Nazis used the exact same tactic of labeling their political opponents Communists? This is one of many reasons why I label you a Nazi.
Turbo -- Ann Coulter is great at shining the light of truth on the Liberal/Leftists.
Oh please. As I have documented in my OP and other posts, Coulter is a pathological liar and hatemonger who is incapable of telling the truth about what liberals say and think.
Turbo -- You can tell by the way they go into a hissy fit when she exposes their little game.
The She Wolf of the SS exposes nothing except her own pathological hatred and dishonesty. Liberals react to Coulter negatively because they do not appreciate her constant lies about liberals. We do not appreciate being labeled traitors, terrorist sycophants, and Godless.
We do not appreciate this twisted Nazi bitch being given network airtime to call for the assassination of the Editor of the New York Times because she doesn't approve of the NYT exposing the illegal, unconstitutional, warrantless wiretapping program.
We do not appreciate the She Wolf of the SS calling for the death of a Supreme Court Justice because she disagrees with a judicial decision.
We do not appreciate her saying her only regret about Timothy McVeigh is that he did not park the Ryder Truck in front of the NYT building.
First of all, she is openly saying she would approve of a terrorist act which would result in the deaths of hundreds of NYT employees.
Second of all, she is saying her ONLY regret about McVeigh is where he parked the Ryder truck. In other words, she has no regrets at all that over 100 employees of the federal government were killed by the Oklahoma City bombing.
These are the reasons why liberals are upset with Ann Coulter.
Ramashiva
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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