the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Well we have a new contender for the title of "King of Idiots" among the right-wing nutcases who post to RGP. Previously, Irish Mike and Francis Lee Turbo were the only serious contenders.
The new kid on the block, whose initials are obviously "RMH", is a strong contender. This guy is such an idiot that he doesn't realize telling us his initials is a huge clue to finding out exactly who he is and exactly where he lives. He also tells us his first name is Rory. DP75089 also realized he was making a huge mistake by using his initials and his zip code for a screen name.
Attention RMH. The internet is not as anonymous as you think it is. You have given me enough clues to find out exactly who you are and exactly where you live, if I care to devote a few hours to it. It took eleaticus and myself less than an hour to find out that your fellow Nazi, DFSPON, is really named Richard Sportsman.
You are an anonymous cowardly troll hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Why are you such a coward? Why don't you post with your real name like I do, and like many other RGP posters do? Because you are a coward, that's why. Punk.
I suggest you seriously consider the above before telling any lies about me or making threats against me which you cannot possibly back up in the real world. I eat anonymous internet tough guys like you for lunch.
Here is a classic example of RMH's idiocy from a post he made in the thread "Convert to Islam", started by my least favorite RGP poster, Irish Mike. Here is a Google Groups link to RMH's post --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/9dbe554e3fa93382
My responses are interleaved.
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"RMHisCOOL" <43084107@recpoker.com> wrote in message news:1157283342$863796@recpoker.com...
: : : On Sep 3 2006 4:58 AM, Bryan Kimmes wrote:
: : > : > On Sep 3 2006 2:31 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
Irish Mike -- Following is a cut & paste from a CNN story today. Al Queada is graciously inviting all Americans to convert to islam - or else.
"We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever their role and status in Bush and Blair's world order," Gadahn says. "Decide today, because today could be your last day."
Kimmes -- "We invite all Arabs to Democracy, whatever their roles in their current governments may be." W Says. "Decide today, because tomorrow you might be building Nukes."
RMH -- Way to attribute quotes for something that doesn't exist in order to slant it whichever way suits you. Spoken like a true liberal. I can't even respond to this because its so idiotic.
Do you understand written English??? Obviously not. Do you understand the significance of this sentence --
"Decide today, because tomorrow you might be building Nukes."
The significance is that the Bush Crime Family will likely attack Iran, and possibly other Muslim countries, on the pretext that they are developing nuclear weapons. There is no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. If they do, they are at least ten years away from having a functioning nuclear weapon. There is no possible justification for an attack on Iran at this time, yet it is obvious Bush plans to do so before he leaves office. It will be Iraq Redux, except Iran has a formidable military, unlike Saddam's broken down military.
Look, shit for brains, Iran's sock puppet, Hizbollah, withstood the full onslaught of the mighty Israeli military machine for a month and fought the Israelis to a standstill. If you think Iran itself will be a pushover, you are beyond clueless.
I suggest you do some research to find out exactly who the Persians are. They are not Arabs. Persians are Aryans. You know, Aryans -- Hitler's Master Race. Please do not confuse Hitler's Master Race with Sand Niggers.
I also suggest you study some military history. When you do, you will find that the Persians are the baddest motherfuckers of them all. Man for man, and armed with comparable weapons technology, the Persians would slaughter both the Jews and the Americans.
You idiots who want to attack Iran have no clue how disasterous the consequences will be. The consequences will make the Iraq War look like a minor bit of unpleasantness.
Irish Mike -- "Mansfield, who is a writer and corporate adviser on the Middle East, Islam and terrorism, said the time reference could indicate an attack is near. Muslims believe that non-believers should be given a chance to convert before they are attacked."
Kimmes -- "Irish Mike, who is an avid Rush Limbaugh listener, can be lied to repeatedly by the self-serving leaders, yet still follow them blindly, and attempt to defend the indefensible."
RMH -- Elaborate please. What is indefensible?
The entire foreign policy of the Bush Crime Family, which constitutes the greatest foreign policy disaster in the history of the USA.
RMH -- And how has Mike defended it? Are you denying Mansfield said this? Who cares? That has nothing to do with the: point of the post. How have we been lied to?
OMFG!!! You really are brain dead. I could list hundreds of definitively documented lies of the Bush Crime Family, but you would just dismiss it as liberal propaganda. Do some research. Turn off Rush Limbaugh. Get in contact with the real world. Stop living in your Nazi fantasy world.
RMH -- Please come up with an actual point not just a wisecrack next time.
Apparently you think a bullshit remark like this can refute a cogent comment.
Irish Mike -- Apparently they made an exception to the "give them a chance to convert before we kill them" rule regarding the Americans in the World Trade Center.
Kimmes -- Apparently, the United States government made an exception in defending the country after Osamas declaration of WAR, and his previous attack on the WTC.
RMH -- I'm pretty sure Mike, as well as myself, or anybody else who doesn't hate this country blames Clinton for his inaction in all things terrorist.
I am pretty sure you are a complete idiot or a mindless Clinton basher who willfully lies about the greatest President of the last sixty years. The lie that Clinton took no effective action against Islamofascists has been definitively debunked by Urban Legends, commonly called Snopes.
Here, educate yourself and stop lying --
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
Claim: The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans. Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
After the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
Maybe if Mr Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 more people would be alive today.
Origins: In chronological order:
On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers - that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.
Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.
On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.
On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.
On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)
On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.
On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.
(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)
In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:
In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation - from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) - that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed - he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier - recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.
. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising th at regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy - potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia - was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.
Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.
Update: In January 2004 a version of the 2001 e-mail with "BUSH COVERED IT!" inserted after each entry began to be circulated on the Internet. Must be an election year.
Last updated: 27 January 2004
RMH -- What's your point? You're trying to counter the point that Islam is not a religion of peace by mentioning the previous terrorist attacks conducted by Muslims. Genius. You must have voted for Hillary.
If she does run for President, she will be far and away the best qualified candidate to run for President since Adlai Stevenson.
Irish Mike -- It's amazing to me that many Americans still delude themselves with the myth that islam is a religion of peace.
Kimmes -- It's amazing to me that anyone still deludes themselves with the myth of religion.
RMH -- What do your religious views have to do with Mike's post about Islam NOT being a religion of peace? Its of little consequence whether or not you believe in anything. Although you do strike me as one of those atheists who are atheists merely to be cool or the elitist attitude. Thats why you say condescending one liners like the one above. Either way, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MIKE'S POINT!
Irish Mike -- They refuse to believe that islam makes no distinction between women & children and military targets.
Kimmes -- No women or children have died in Iraq. Also, no women or children were killed in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
RMH -- There probably have been some in Iraq, of course.
PROBABLY??? You are a submoron. Something on the order of 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the Iraq War. Obviously, many of these were women and children.
RMH -- Collateral damage is definitely the same thing as targeting them, right?
Collateral damage, my ass. That is the favorite excuse of war criminals and their sycophants. Listen, genius, the U.S. military routinely dropped 500-pound bombs on residential neighborhoods in Fallujah. Since such actions will forseeably kill innocent civilians, such actions constitute the war crime of Collective Punishment. I look forward to the war crimes trials of Bush, Cheney, and Rice.
RMH -- Dumbass.
Talking to yourself now?
RMH -- I also think its a fantastic argument to bring up something that the United States did before most of us were even born.
It is a perfectly legitimate point. All you flag waving, patriotic song singing Nazis who think the USA is pure and innocent need to look at the U.S. war crimes during WW II. The firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo, as well as the nuclear blasts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, are clear, unambiguous war crimes, now defined by the Geneva Conventions as Collective Punishment.
RMH -- What's your point? That Islam is a religion of peace because the US dropped an A-bomb on civilians sixty years ago?
Is this your concept of argumentation? To completely misrepresent your opponent's argument? Apparently all you have got is strawman argumentation.
RMH -- You can't stay on topic. Are you a Kennedy or something?
And what would be wrong with that??? The Kennedys are political royalty. Deal with it.
Irish Mike -- They do not want to believe that islam gives infidels (which is any non-muslim) only two choices: convert to islam or be killed.
Kimmes -- They do not want to believe that Christians [who] killed hundreds of thousands, [gave] only two choices: convert to Christianity or be killed.
RMH -- Wow, now you're going even further back.
What is wrong with going back in history??? To paraphrase Santayana -- Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
RMH -- How does this have anything to do with what we're talking about? Are you talking about the Crusades or what? Do you actually believe that's why we attack people today? Clarify.
You fucking moron, the Roman Catholic Church has killed 100,000,000 people for the crime of disagreeing with Catholic Dogma. Did I mention that the Roman Catholic Priesthood has, for centuries, operated an international ring of pedophiles and child molesters?
Anyone who condemns Islamofascism, without also condemning the excesses of the Catholic Church, has a huge blind spot.
Irish Mike -- The blame America first crowd is so busy bashing America that they deny that this is a fundamental tenet of islam - not just of radical islamofascists.
We do not blame America first. We accurately point out that events do not happen in a vacuum. Actions have consequences. The proximate causes for the 9/11 attacks were the presence of American troops in Muslim countries, especially Saudi Arabia, and U.S. support for Israel.
The root cause of the 9/11 attacks are people who drive around in 10-mpg SUVs, sporting bumper stickers like "These colors don't run" and "United We Stand".
Kimmes -- The blame America first crowd is growing rather large. Apparently 50+ years of self-serving dominance over the Middle East has had an effect.
RMH -- Nice non-sequitor to save yourself from having to actually say something meaningful.
He said something meaningful. You have not. Nor have any of your comments shown even a glimmer of intelligence.
RMH -- Nonetheless, I wouldn't expect any less of you at this point.
Irish Mike -- So, fuck you very much but I decline your offer to convert to islam.
Kimmes -- I also decline.
RMH -- First intelligent thing you've said this post. Your answer surprises me though.
It surprises you that he doesn't want to convert to Islam??? Believe it or not, it is a complete myth that liberals are supporters or sycophants of Islamofascism.
The new kid on the block, whose initials are obviously "RMH", is a strong contender. This guy is such an idiot that he doesn't realize telling us his initials is a huge clue to finding out exactly who he is and exactly where he lives. He also tells us his first name is Rory. DP75089 also realized he was making a huge mistake by using his initials and his zip code for a screen name.
Attention RMH. The internet is not as anonymous as you think it is. You have given me enough clues to find out exactly who you are and exactly where you live, if I care to devote a few hours to it. It took eleaticus and myself less than an hour to find out that your fellow Nazi, DFSPON, is really named Richard Sportsman.
You are an anonymous cowardly troll hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Why are you such a coward? Why don't you post with your real name like I do, and like many other RGP posters do? Because you are a coward, that's why. Punk.
I suggest you seriously consider the above before telling any lies about me or making threats against me which you cannot possibly back up in the real world. I eat anonymous internet tough guys like you for lunch.
Here is a classic example of RMH's idiocy from a post he made in the thread "Convert to Islam", started by my least favorite RGP poster, Irish Mike. Here is a Google Groups link to RMH's post --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/9dbe554e3fa93382
My responses are interleaved.
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"RMHisCOOL" <43084107@recpoker.com> wrote in message news:1157283342$863796@recpoker.com...
: : : On Sep 3 2006 4:58 AM, Bryan Kimmes wrote:
: : > : > On Sep 3 2006 2:31 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
Irish Mike -- Following is a cut & paste from a CNN story today. Al Queada is graciously inviting all Americans to convert to islam - or else.
"We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever their role and status in Bush and Blair's world order," Gadahn says. "Decide today, because today could be your last day."
Kimmes -- "We invite all Arabs to Democracy, whatever their roles in their current governments may be." W Says. "Decide today, because tomorrow you might be building Nukes."
RMH -- Way to attribute quotes for something that doesn't exist in order to slant it whichever way suits you. Spoken like a true liberal. I can't even respond to this because its so idiotic.
Do you understand written English??? Obviously not. Do you understand the significance of this sentence --
"Decide today, because tomorrow you might be building Nukes."
The significance is that the Bush Crime Family will likely attack Iran, and possibly other Muslim countries, on the pretext that they are developing nuclear weapons. There is no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. If they do, they are at least ten years away from having a functioning nuclear weapon. There is no possible justification for an attack on Iran at this time, yet it is obvious Bush plans to do so before he leaves office. It will be Iraq Redux, except Iran has a formidable military, unlike Saddam's broken down military.
Look, shit for brains, Iran's sock puppet, Hizbollah, withstood the full onslaught of the mighty Israeli military machine for a month and fought the Israelis to a standstill. If you think Iran itself will be a pushover, you are beyond clueless.
I suggest you do some research to find out exactly who the Persians are. They are not Arabs. Persians are Aryans. You know, Aryans -- Hitler's Master Race. Please do not confuse Hitler's Master Race with Sand Niggers.
I also suggest you study some military history. When you do, you will find that the Persians are the baddest motherfuckers of them all. Man for man, and armed with comparable weapons technology, the Persians would slaughter both the Jews and the Americans.
You idiots who want to attack Iran have no clue how disasterous the consequences will be. The consequences will make the Iraq War look like a minor bit of unpleasantness.
Irish Mike -- "Mansfield, who is a writer and corporate adviser on the Middle East, Islam and terrorism, said the time reference could indicate an attack is near. Muslims believe that non-believers should be given a chance to convert before they are attacked."
Kimmes -- "Irish Mike, who is an avid Rush Limbaugh listener, can be lied to repeatedly by the self-serving leaders, yet still follow them blindly, and attempt to defend the indefensible."
RMH -- Elaborate please. What is indefensible?
The entire foreign policy of the Bush Crime Family, which constitutes the greatest foreign policy disaster in the history of the USA.
RMH -- And how has Mike defended it? Are you denying Mansfield said this? Who cares? That has nothing to do with the: point of the post. How have we been lied to?
OMFG!!! You really are brain dead. I could list hundreds of definitively documented lies of the Bush Crime Family, but you would just dismiss it as liberal propaganda. Do some research. Turn off Rush Limbaugh. Get in contact with the real world. Stop living in your Nazi fantasy world.
RMH -- Please come up with an actual point not just a wisecrack next time.
Apparently you think a bullshit remark like this can refute a cogent comment.
Irish Mike -- Apparently they made an exception to the "give them a chance to convert before we kill them" rule regarding the Americans in the World Trade Center.
Kimmes -- Apparently, the United States government made an exception in defending the country after Osamas declaration of WAR, and his previous attack on the WTC.
RMH -- I'm pretty sure Mike, as well as myself, or anybody else who doesn't hate this country blames Clinton for his inaction in all things terrorist.
I am pretty sure you are a complete idiot or a mindless Clinton basher who willfully lies about the greatest President of the last sixty years. The lie that Clinton took no effective action against Islamofascists has been definitively debunked by Urban Legends, commonly called Snopes.
Here, educate yourself and stop lying --
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
Claim: The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans. Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
After the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
Maybe if Mr Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 more people would be alive today.
Origins: In chronological order:
On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers - that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.
Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.
On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.
On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.
On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)
On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.
On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.
(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)
In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:
In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation - from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) - that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed - he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier - recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.
. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising th at regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy - potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia - was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.
Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.
Update: In January 2004 a version of the 2001 e-mail with "BUSH COVERED IT!" inserted after each entry began to be circulated on the Internet. Must be an election year.
Last updated: 27 January 2004
RMH -- What's your point? You're trying to counter the point that Islam is not a religion of peace by mentioning the previous terrorist attacks conducted by Muslims. Genius. You must have voted for Hillary.
If she does run for President, she will be far and away the best qualified candidate to run for President since Adlai Stevenson.
Irish Mike -- It's amazing to me that many Americans still delude themselves with the myth that islam is a religion of peace.
Kimmes -- It's amazing to me that anyone still deludes themselves with the myth of religion.
RMH -- What do your religious views have to do with Mike's post about Islam NOT being a religion of peace? Its of little consequence whether or not you believe in anything. Although you do strike me as one of those atheists who are atheists merely to be cool or the elitist attitude. Thats why you say condescending one liners like the one above. Either way, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MIKE'S POINT!
Irish Mike -- They refuse to believe that islam makes no distinction between women & children and military targets.
Kimmes -- No women or children have died in Iraq. Also, no women or children were killed in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
RMH -- There probably have been some in Iraq, of course.
PROBABLY??? You are a submoron. Something on the order of 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the Iraq War. Obviously, many of these were women and children.
RMH -- Collateral damage is definitely the same thing as targeting them, right?
Collateral damage, my ass. That is the favorite excuse of war criminals and their sycophants. Listen, genius, the U.S. military routinely dropped 500-pound bombs on residential neighborhoods in Fallujah. Since such actions will forseeably kill innocent civilians, such actions constitute the war crime of Collective Punishment. I look forward to the war crimes trials of Bush, Cheney, and Rice.
RMH -- Dumbass.
Talking to yourself now?
RMH -- I also think its a fantastic argument to bring up something that the United States did before most of us were even born.
It is a perfectly legitimate point. All you flag waving, patriotic song singing Nazis who think the USA is pure and innocent need to look at the U.S. war crimes during WW II. The firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo, as well as the nuclear blasts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, are clear, unambiguous war crimes, now defined by the Geneva Conventions as Collective Punishment.
RMH -- What's your point? That Islam is a religion of peace because the US dropped an A-bomb on civilians sixty years ago?
Is this your concept of argumentation? To completely misrepresent your opponent's argument? Apparently all you have got is strawman argumentation.
RMH -- You can't stay on topic. Are you a Kennedy or something?
And what would be wrong with that??? The Kennedys are political royalty. Deal with it.
Irish Mike -- They do not want to believe that islam gives infidels (which is any non-muslim) only two choices: convert to islam or be killed.
Kimmes -- They do not want to believe that Christians [who] killed hundreds of thousands, [gave] only two choices: convert to Christianity or be killed.
RMH -- Wow, now you're going even further back.
What is wrong with going back in history??? To paraphrase Santayana -- Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
RMH -- How does this have anything to do with what we're talking about? Are you talking about the Crusades or what? Do you actually believe that's why we attack people today? Clarify.
You fucking moron, the Roman Catholic Church has killed 100,000,000 people for the crime of disagreeing with Catholic Dogma. Did I mention that the Roman Catholic Priesthood has, for centuries, operated an international ring of pedophiles and child molesters?
Anyone who condemns Islamofascism, without also condemning the excesses of the Catholic Church, has a huge blind spot.
Irish Mike -- The blame America first crowd is so busy bashing America that they deny that this is a fundamental tenet of islam - not just of radical islamofascists.
We do not blame America first. We accurately point out that events do not happen in a vacuum. Actions have consequences. The proximate causes for the 9/11 attacks were the presence of American troops in Muslim countries, especially Saudi Arabia, and U.S. support for Israel.
The root cause of the 9/11 attacks are people who drive around in 10-mpg SUVs, sporting bumper stickers like "These colors don't run" and "United We Stand".
Kimmes -- The blame America first crowd is growing rather large. Apparently 50+ years of self-serving dominance over the Middle East has had an effect.
RMH -- Nice non-sequitor to save yourself from having to actually say something meaningful.
He said something meaningful. You have not. Nor have any of your comments shown even a glimmer of intelligence.
RMH -- Nonetheless, I wouldn't expect any less of you at this point.
Irish Mike -- So, fuck you very much but I decline your offer to convert to islam.
Kimmes -- I also decline.
RMH -- First intelligent thing you've said this post. Your answer surprises me though.
It surprises you that he doesn't want to convert to Islam??? Believe it or not, it is a complete myth that liberals are supporters or sycophants of Islamofascism.
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