The Sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers
I made this post in the thread "OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1" in an effort to determine if Hiroshima Facts posting in this thread, and WuzYoungOnceToo, posting in the thread "OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on the Plame Issue", are both sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers. I also crossposted my post to the Plame thread.
My limited knowledge of interpreting Internet Headers prevents me from conclusively determining if Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo, although I strongly suspect it. Both posters are ultranationalistic Nazis defending the indefensible. American World War II atrocities in the case of Hiroshima Facts. Obvious treason by Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Libby in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame in the case of WuzYoungOnceToo.
Both posters are endlessly argumentative assholes who will never admit they are wrong about anything.
Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address.
Several of the Internet Headers are identical, but the NNTP Posting Hosts are different.
Not enough to convict, but certainly enough to indict.
Can one of you internet geeks help me out here? Do I have a case, or are all of the similarities just coincidences?
Here is my original post where I started my investigation --
"Bob" <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
news:1157426080.862957.322340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
: : hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com wrote:
: : > Hiroshima Facts:
> : > Department of Truth and Reality
: : DPWuz, is that you?
A truly inspired guess, and very likely correct. Notice the dismissive "you know nothing at all" tone of the post. Notice the extremely dishonest technique of snipping what I said, then acting like I never said it. Notice the refusal to simply show that he knows the definition of Collective Punishment by quoting the Geneva Conventions' definition of Collective Punishment.
Yup. Fits DP7/Wuz/Luvin's modus operandi perfectly. Further notice the new sock puppet name.
LMFAO!!! This submoron knows I have all his many sock puppets killfiled, so he creates a new sockpuppet to make sure I will read his ignorant bullshit and waste my time arguing with him, when I already know I am 100% correct.
Let's see if Hiroshima Facts has ever posted to RGP before.
Well, Hiroshima Facts has an extensive posting history on many different usenet groups. That also fits DP7/Wuz/Luvin's modus operandi. Let's see if we can do an RGP author search to see if Hiroshima Facts has ever published to RGP before.
Looks like Hiroshima Facts had posted to RGP a total of two times before on RGP. The first post is in the thread "has kerry done anything to help us military" posted on March 8, 2004, about 2.5 years ago. Amazing that Hiroshima Facts shows up in this thread after a posting hiatus of 2.5 years.
Yup. This post is classic DP7/Wuz/Luvin. Defending the U.S. military against charges that the American bombers participated in the firebombing of Dresden. He states in the 3/8/2004 post that the American bombers bombed the Dresden railyards, while British bombers burned the city. Yet in the current thread, he claims the firebombing of Dresden was a British operation. There is an obvious contradiction here. But DP7/Wuz/Luvin is the King of Nitpickers, so we know he will be able to pick enough nits to show there is no real contradiction.
He further exculpates the USA from blame for the nuclear blasts by claiming that the nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually intended for military targets and the 100,000 civilians killed in each city are "collateral damage".
LMFAO!!! is this classic DP7/Wuz/Luvin or what? We all know that the King of Nitpickers is an ultranationalistic warmongering pig who thinks nothing the U.S. military has ever done is blameworthy in the least. This is absolutely classic stuff from the poster all of RGP loves to hate. This post is so classic, here it is in its entirety --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/b4ed6378d4a36af4
"Rich" <anonym...@paranoid.org> wrote in message
<news:404663c4$0$63415$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com
>... > On Mar 3 2004 1:20PM, the pickle wrote:
> > Yes, there is always some gratuitous atrocity in war, but American servicemen are seldom the usual offenders. It is simply not the "American" way.
> Bullshit. You're believing too much American propaganda. What about killing peasants in free fire zones and reporting them as enemy casualties?
[more classic King of Nitpickers. He has no rebuttal for this classic atrocity, so he just cruises right past it without comment.]
> What about the bombing of Dresden?
American bombers focused on the Dresden railyards.
The city was burned by British bombers.
> What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Civilians targets, yes. But also significant military targets.
The Hiroshima bomb exploded nearly directly above a large base (the headquarters of the Japanese Third Army and the headquarters in charge of the defense of Kyushu), and nearly all of the 20,000 soldiers on the base were killed instantly.
The Nagasaki bomb was intended for the Kokura Arsenal, but was diverted by the weather to the outskirts of Nagasaki, where it exploded between the "Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works" and the "Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works/Torpedo Works", damaging both beyond repair.
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OMFG!!! Notice the extreme mastery of minute details. Yet another trademark of the King of Nitpickers. Notice the flagrant attempt to absolve the U.S. military for all blame for Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.
I would bet $100 that Hiroshima Facts = DP7/Wuz/Luvin.
Let's look at the other post which Hirsoshima Facts has published in his entire posting history on RGP, on February 10, 2004. Again, here is the entire post, from the thread "OT: America is a sick joke". Judge for yourself whether this sounds exactly like the King of Nitpickers --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/abea387100531df2
"Gary Leddering" ...
wrote in message < target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=4027f791$0$226$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> American intelligence had intercepted Japanese communications of high-ranking military and goverment officials as early as July 1945 clearly stating their intentions to surrender. The Japanese were hoping to get the Soviets to mediate surrender negotiations and help them get more favorable terms.
We were not interested in either negotiating or providing them with better terms, so this was largely irrelevant.
> With or without the bomb they were going to surrender.
We had no way of knowing what Japan intended to do if their "Soviet mediation" gambit fell through.
> According to a large majority of insider and historical accounts the bomb was dropped to preclude further East Asian penetration by the USSR. It was the first strategic move of the Cold War. The consensus of historians is that the bombs were dropped with the goal of forcing Japan to make an unconditional surrender.
The stuff about impressing the USSR is limited to anti-American propaganda.
_______________________________________
LMFAO!!! It's our boy, the King of Nitpickers, I just know it. Just how sick is this pathetic fuck??? I remember Kilgore Trout tracing this idiot to some other usenet newsgroup, where the King of Nitpickers was posting with multiple sockpuppets to create the impression that many posters agreed with him.
Would it surprise you if this usenet degenerate has literally hundreds of sockpuppets which he uses to post to dozens of usenet newsgroups? It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
He uses a sockpuppet until he becomes the laughingstock of the newsgroup, then he trots out another sockpuppet, since everyone has killfiled his previous sockpuppet. He has already done this on RGP, when he abandoned DP75089 when that sockpuppet became known as an endlessly argumentative asshole who had no clue.
All the sockpuppets post with a newsreader, so let's see if we can find out anything from the internet headers. Here are the internet headers from the latest post by Hiroshima Facts --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 19:26:44 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: 1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<Li2Lg.6228$xQ1.3917@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.103.250.151
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157423210 3839 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 02:26:50 GMT)
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
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posting-account=O_tAuw0AAACWI6W0znjUQK6KkBqvL2hC
Xref: news.earthlink.net rec.gambling.poker:1599995
X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:26:51 PDT (newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net)
Whoops. Looks like he is actually posting with Google Groups. Am I correct on this? What about the sdsu.edu? Obviously San Diego State University. I am no expert on Internet Headers. Does that indicate he is posting from San Diego State University, or just that newshub.sdsu.edu is a server in the path? Any assistance from anyone would be appreciated.
And is newshub.sdsu.edu part of his unique path, or it that just part of how all messages get to me? Let's see what the internet headers look like for Bob's post --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "Bob" <bob@synapse-cs.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 20:14:40 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <1157426080.862957.322340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<Li2Lg.6228$xQ1.3917@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.123.223.234
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157426086 12901 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 03:14:46 GMT)
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: 74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.123.223.234;
posting-account=412rEgwAAAAtD53quApugFn-FKTSUPqj
Xref: news.earthlink.net rec.gambling.poker:1600007
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Whoops again. Bob's path is nearly identical to the path of Hiroshima Facts. Looks like the path just indicates how the message got to me. I guess we need to look at the NNTP posting hosts --
Hiroshima Facts -- 66.103.250.151
Bob -- 66.123.223.234
Now we are getting somewhere. If we can tie another DP7/Wuz/Luvin sockpuppet to the NNTP Posting Host with IP = 66.103.250.151, our work will be done.
First, I need to go into Options > Read and check "expand grouped messages" so I can sort every message whose header I have downloaded.
Done.
Now let's sort the RGP folder by author. I may have a problem here, since I think I killfiled all of the sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers.
Whoops one more time. I thought expanding grouped messages would sort all messages in the folder, but the sort is still by the name of the thread starter. I think I understand now why DP7/Wuz/Luvin NEVER starts a thread. You can't find his sockpuppets by sorting the RGP folder by author.
Houston, we have a problem. How am I going to find a post by one of the King of Nitpickers sockpuppets, since I have them all killlfiled?
What happens if I remove all of his sockpuppets from my killfile? Will messages from the sockpuppets reload if I download next 1000 headers repeatedly?
Fuck. I have a huge killfile. Clicking on the email column does not sort the killfile by email address.
Looking through my killfile, I only find the following sockpuppets --
WuzYoungOnceToo2@yahoo.com
wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com
No DP7 or Luvin sockpuppets killfiled since I set up my most recent killfile. How much do you want to bet that half the endlessly argumentative braindead trolls in my killfile are sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers??? Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick. Just how sick and starved for attention is this Nazi scumbag???
OK. Should I remove the Wuz sockpuppets from my killfile and see if I can reload message headers from the Earthlink news servers from these sockpuppets?
Here's another question. Does Google Groups show the internet headers? Let's do an RGP author search on one of the Wuz sockpuppets and see if Google Groups gives us the internet headers.
LMFAO!!! the last post by WuzYoungOnceToo to RGP using email address wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com was made on September 4, 2006 in the thread "OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on the Plame Issue". What is the King of Nitpickers up to in this thread?
I am laughing so hard I am going to have a heart attack. The King of Nitpickers and his fellow Nazi scum, Francis Lee Turbo, are trying to make the absurd case that no laws were broken in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. Please read the entire thread. Bob and Joseph I. Mion are body slamming the attempts of these Nazi totalitarians to defend the indefensible -- the obvious treason of outing a covert CIA operative. Just to give you the flavor of the thread, here is Mion's latest reply to the King of Nitpickers --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/858edd10a4bd4f6c
article 1157389755.377575.223
...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
WuzYoungOnceToo ...wrote:
> Oh, hell...you didn't say it was a scavanger hunt. I thought you actually had some links to support what you were claiming. My mistake.
I did. I gave you the links. You didn't follow instructions.
> How the fuck does "we believe we have the right to do so" constitute an admission of Constitutional violation?
"We did it. We believe we have the power to do it." It's real simple. Don't parse out what you don't want to hear.
> Sorry Scooter, but finding evidence to support the claim is YOUR job, not mine.
No. It's the job of every American who believes in the rule of law. You apparently do not. Continuing to bury your head in the sand and deny what sort of laws your president is breaking is hardly what I'd consider patriotic. Do yourself and your country a favor and get informed.
Otherwise, I can only assume that you hate this country and would rather have a dictatorship. That's surely what your president is aiming for.
---Joseph
_______________________________________________
Please go read the entire thread. You will see the Nazi scumbags Wuz and Turbo in all their glory, defending treason and pretending no laws were broken in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame.
OMFG!!! The Nazi apologists King of Nitpickers and Francis Lee Turbo think they can somehow absolve Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Dick Cheney from having committed obvious treason through legalistic nitpicking. Go and read the entire thread. You will see how Turbo and Wuz think they can create enough confusion and doubt with their Nazi bullshit and nitpicking to obscure the obvious facts --
Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Dick Cheney committed clear and unambiguous treason by outing the covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. Rove, Libby, and Cheney committed this treason for the disgusting motive of discrediting a serious exposer of the WMD lies, Joe Wilson. Rove, Libby, and Cheney should be tried for treason and executed publicly after being convicted.
George Bush not only authorized this treason, but had contemporaneous knowledge of the treasonous plot to out Valerie Plame. Bush has also committed treason. He should be impeached and removed from office. Then we should see if we can find another example of treason by Bush. Shouldn't be too hard. Then we should try to convict the impeached Bush for treason, so we can publicly execute him also.
But I digress. Let's see if the post of the Wuz sockpuppet will give us internet headers from Google Groups.
Yup. Here they are --
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!postnews.google.com!i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "WuzYoungOnceToo" mailto:wuzyoungonce...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on Plame ssue
Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:17:16 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 43
Message-ID: 1157465836.574593.112920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
References: <1156941507.450135.206530@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <300820062020374857%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157046809.594477.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <310820062222326754%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157118822.955236.29060@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <020920061113196915%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157389755.377575.223020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> 040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.0.171.210
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.0.171.210;
posting-account=Jsb7AwwAAACChiJH6kg0YtPNyg7F7La6
OK. The paths are different, but I got the Hiroshima Facts Internet Headers from my newsreader, which got the message header from the Earthlink news servers, while I got the WuzYoungOnceToo Internet Headers from Google Groups. That explains the different paths.
The NNTP Posting Host is 64.0.171.210. Not the same as Hiroshima Facts NNTP Posting host IP address, 66.103.250.151. Someone help me out here. Does this prove conclusively that Hiroshima Facts and Wuz are not one and the same? Or can you have different NNTP Posting Hosts within a short period of time?
Of course, Wuz could have accounts with two different ISPs. That would also give different NNTP Posting Hosts, would it not?
While waiting for someone more knowledgeable about interpreting Internet Headers than me to clarify the issue, is there anything else in the Internet Headers for Hiroshima Facts and Wuz which shows they are coming from the same source?
Let's compare the Hiroshima Facts and Wuz Internet Headers side by side to see the similarities --
Hiroshima Facts --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 19:26:44 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 86
Message-ID: <1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.103.250.151
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
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posting-account=O_tAuw0AAACWI6W0znjUQK6KkBqvL2hC
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Wuz --
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!postnews.google.com!i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "WuzYoungOnceToo" wuzyoungonce...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on Plame Issue
Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:17:16 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 43
Message-ID: 1157465836.574593.112920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
References: <1156941507.450135.206530@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <300820062020374857%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157046809.594477.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <310820062222326754%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157118822.955236.29060@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <020920061113196915%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157389755.377575.223020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.0.171.210
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
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posting-account=Jsb7AwwAAACChiJH6kg0YtPNyg7F7La6
Wow! A LOT of identical entries. Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address. Several other headers are also identical. Does this prove that Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo?
As I said previously, I am no expert in interpreting Internet Headers. In fact, you can see from the way I have stumbled around, I don't know much at all on this subject.
Can one of you internet geeks help me out here?
I guess I have to leave the investigation here for now. I am convinced Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo. Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address. Other Internet Headers are identical.
Both posters are ultranationalistic Nazis. Hiroshima Facts defends obvious American atrocities in World War II. Wuz defends obvious treason by Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Libby. Both are endlessly argumentative nitpickers who will never concede they are wrong about anything.
The modus operandi is exactly the same. The MO of the King of Nitpickers.
So, King of Nitpickers, care to confirm or deny that Hiroshima Facts and WuzYoungOnceToo are both your sockpuppets?
My limited knowledge of interpreting Internet Headers prevents me from conclusively determining if Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo, although I strongly suspect it. Both posters are ultranationalistic Nazis defending the indefensible. American World War II atrocities in the case of Hiroshima Facts. Obvious treason by Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Libby in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame in the case of WuzYoungOnceToo.
Both posters are endlessly argumentative assholes who will never admit they are wrong about anything.
Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address.
Several of the Internet Headers are identical, but the NNTP Posting Hosts are different.
Not enough to convict, but certainly enough to indict.
Can one of you internet geeks help me out here? Do I have a case, or are all of the similarities just coincidences?
Here is my original post where I started my investigation --
"Bob" <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
news:1157426080.862957.322340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
: : hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com wrote:
: : > Hiroshima Facts:
> : > Department of Truth and Reality
: : DPWuz, is that you?
A truly inspired guess, and very likely correct. Notice the dismissive "you know nothing at all" tone of the post. Notice the extremely dishonest technique of snipping what I said, then acting like I never said it. Notice the refusal to simply show that he knows the definition of Collective Punishment by quoting the Geneva Conventions' definition of Collective Punishment.
Yup. Fits DP7/Wuz/Luvin's modus operandi perfectly. Further notice the new sock puppet name.
LMFAO!!! This submoron knows I have all his many sock puppets killfiled, so he creates a new sockpuppet to make sure I will read his ignorant bullshit and waste my time arguing with him, when I already know I am 100% correct.
Let's see if Hiroshima Facts has ever posted to RGP before.
Well, Hiroshima Facts has an extensive posting history on many different usenet groups. That also fits DP7/Wuz/Luvin's modus operandi. Let's see if we can do an RGP author search to see if Hiroshima Facts has ever published to RGP before.
Looks like Hiroshima Facts had posted to RGP a total of two times before on RGP. The first post is in the thread "has kerry done anything to help us military" posted on March 8, 2004, about 2.5 years ago. Amazing that Hiroshima Facts shows up in this thread after a posting hiatus of 2.5 years.
Yup. This post is classic DP7/Wuz/Luvin. Defending the U.S. military against charges that the American bombers participated in the firebombing of Dresden. He states in the 3/8/2004 post that the American bombers bombed the Dresden railyards, while British bombers burned the city. Yet in the current thread, he claims the firebombing of Dresden was a British operation. There is an obvious contradiction here. But DP7/Wuz/Luvin is the King of Nitpickers, so we know he will be able to pick enough nits to show there is no real contradiction.
He further exculpates the USA from blame for the nuclear blasts by claiming that the nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually intended for military targets and the 100,000 civilians killed in each city are "collateral damage".
LMFAO!!! is this classic DP7/Wuz/Luvin or what? We all know that the King of Nitpickers is an ultranationalistic warmongering pig who thinks nothing the U.S. military has ever done is blameworthy in the least. This is absolutely classic stuff from the poster all of RGP loves to hate. This post is so classic, here it is in its entirety --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/b4ed6378d4a36af4
"Rich" <anonym...@paranoid.org> wrote in message
<news:404663c4$0$63415$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com
>... > On Mar 3 2004 1:20PM, the pickle wrote:
> > Yes, there is always some gratuitous atrocity in war, but American servicemen are seldom the usual offenders. It is simply not the "American" way.
> Bullshit. You're believing too much American propaganda. What about killing peasants in free fire zones and reporting them as enemy casualties?
[more classic King of Nitpickers. He has no rebuttal for this classic atrocity, so he just cruises right past it without comment.]
> What about the bombing of Dresden?
American bombers focused on the Dresden railyards.
The city was burned by British bombers.
> What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Civilians targets, yes. But also significant military targets.
The Hiroshima bomb exploded nearly directly above a large base (the headquarters of the Japanese Third Army and the headquarters in charge of the defense of Kyushu), and nearly all of the 20,000 soldiers on the base were killed instantly.
The Nagasaki bomb was intended for the Kokura Arsenal, but was diverted by the weather to the outskirts of Nagasaki, where it exploded between the "Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works" and the "Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works/Torpedo Works", damaging both beyond repair.
__________________________________________
OMFG!!! Notice the extreme mastery of minute details. Yet another trademark of the King of Nitpickers. Notice the flagrant attempt to absolve the U.S. military for all blame for Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.
I would bet $100 that Hiroshima Facts = DP7/Wuz/Luvin.
Let's look at the other post which Hirsoshima Facts has published in his entire posting history on RGP, on February 10, 2004. Again, here is the entire post, from the thread "OT: America is a sick joke". Judge for yourself whether this sounds exactly like the King of Nitpickers --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/abea387100531df2
"Gary Leddering" ...
wrote in message < target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=4027f791$0$226$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> American intelligence had intercepted Japanese communications of high-ranking military and goverment officials as early as July 1945 clearly stating their intentions to surrender. The Japanese were hoping to get the Soviets to mediate surrender negotiations and help them get more favorable terms.
We were not interested in either negotiating or providing them with better terms, so this was largely irrelevant.
> With or without the bomb they were going to surrender.
We had no way of knowing what Japan intended to do if their "Soviet mediation" gambit fell through.
> According to a large majority of insider and historical accounts the bomb was dropped to preclude further East Asian penetration by the USSR. It was the first strategic move of the Cold War. The consensus of historians is that the bombs were dropped with the goal of forcing Japan to make an unconditional surrender.
The stuff about impressing the USSR is limited to anti-American propaganda.
_______________________________________
LMFAO!!! It's our boy, the King of Nitpickers, I just know it. Just how sick is this pathetic fuck??? I remember Kilgore Trout tracing this idiot to some other usenet newsgroup, where the King of Nitpickers was posting with multiple sockpuppets to create the impression that many posters agreed with him.
Would it surprise you if this usenet degenerate has literally hundreds of sockpuppets which he uses to post to dozens of usenet newsgroups? It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
He uses a sockpuppet until he becomes the laughingstock of the newsgroup, then he trots out another sockpuppet, since everyone has killfiled his previous sockpuppet. He has already done this on RGP, when he abandoned DP75089 when that sockpuppet became known as an endlessly argumentative asshole who had no clue.
All the sockpuppets post with a newsreader, so let's see if we can find out anything from the internet headers. Here are the internet headers from the latest post by Hiroshima Facts --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 19:26:44 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 86
Message-ID: 1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<Li2Lg.6228$xQ1.3917@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.103.250.151
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157423210 3839 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 02:26:50 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 02:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.103.250.151;
posting-account=O_tAuw0AAACWI6W0znjUQK6KkBqvL2hC
Xref: news.earthlink.net rec.gambling.poker:1599995
X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:26:51 PDT (newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net)
Whoops. Looks like he is actually posting with Google Groups. Am I correct on this? What about the sdsu.edu? Obviously San Diego State University. I am no expert on Internet Headers. Does that indicate he is posting from San Diego State University, or just that newshub.sdsu.edu is a server in the path? Any assistance from anyone would be appreciated.
And is newshub.sdsu.edu part of his unique path, or it that just part of how all messages get to me? Let's see what the internet headers look like for Bob's post --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "Bob" <bob@synapse-cs.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 20:14:40 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <1157426080.862957.322340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<Li2Lg.6228$xQ1.3917@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.123.223.234
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157426086 12901 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 03:14:46 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:14:46 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 SBSSERVER01
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: 74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.123.223.234;
posting-account=412rEgwAAAAtD53quApugFn-FKTSUPqj
Xref: news.earthlink.net rec.gambling.poker:1600007
X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:14:46 PDT (newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net)
Whoops again. Bob's path is nearly identical to the path of Hiroshima Facts. Looks like the path just indicates how the message got to me. I guess we need to look at the NNTP posting hosts --
Hiroshima Facts -- 66.103.250.151
Bob -- 66.123.223.234
Now we are getting somewhere. If we can tie another DP7/Wuz/Luvin sockpuppet to the NNTP Posting Host with IP = 66.103.250.151, our work will be done.
First, I need to go into Options > Read and check "expand grouped messages" so I can sort every message whose header I have downloaded.
Done.
Now let's sort the RGP folder by author. I may have a problem here, since I think I killfiled all of the sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers.
Whoops one more time. I thought expanding grouped messages would sort all messages in the folder, but the sort is still by the name of the thread starter. I think I understand now why DP7/Wuz/Luvin NEVER starts a thread. You can't find his sockpuppets by sorting the RGP folder by author.
Houston, we have a problem. How am I going to find a post by one of the King of Nitpickers sockpuppets, since I have them all killlfiled?
What happens if I remove all of his sockpuppets from my killfile? Will messages from the sockpuppets reload if I download next 1000 headers repeatedly?
Fuck. I have a huge killfile. Clicking on the email column does not sort the killfile by email address.
Looking through my killfile, I only find the following sockpuppets --
WuzYoungOnceToo2@yahoo.com
wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com
No DP7 or Luvin sockpuppets killfiled since I set up my most recent killfile. How much do you want to bet that half the endlessly argumentative braindead trolls in my killfile are sockpuppets of the King of Nitpickers??? Jesus H. Christ on a pogostick. Just how sick and starved for attention is this Nazi scumbag???
OK. Should I remove the Wuz sockpuppets from my killfile and see if I can reload message headers from the Earthlink news servers from these sockpuppets?
Here's another question. Does Google Groups show the internet headers? Let's do an RGP author search on one of the Wuz sockpuppets and see if Google Groups gives us the internet headers.
LMFAO!!! the last post by WuzYoungOnceToo to RGP using email address wuzyoungoncetoo@yahoo.com was made on September 4, 2006 in the thread "OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on the Plame Issue". What is the King of Nitpickers up to in this thread?
I am laughing so hard I am going to have a heart attack. The King of Nitpickers and his fellow Nazi scum, Francis Lee Turbo, are trying to make the absurd case that no laws were broken in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. Please read the entire thread. Bob and Joseph I. Mion are body slamming the attempts of these Nazi totalitarians to defend the indefensible -- the obvious treason of outing a covert CIA operative. Just to give you the flavor of the thread, here is Mion's latest reply to the King of Nitpickers --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/858edd10a4bd4f6c
article 1157389755.377575.223
...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
WuzYoungOnceToo ...wrote:
> Oh, hell...you didn't say it was a scavanger hunt. I thought you actually had some links to support what you were claiming. My mistake.
I did. I gave you the links. You didn't follow instructions.
> How the fuck does "we believe we have the right to do so" constitute an admission of Constitutional violation?
"We did it. We believe we have the power to do it." It's real simple. Don't parse out what you don't want to hear.
> Sorry Scooter, but finding evidence to support the claim is YOUR job, not mine.
No. It's the job of every American who believes in the rule of law. You apparently do not. Continuing to bury your head in the sand and deny what sort of laws your president is breaking is hardly what I'd consider patriotic. Do yourself and your country a favor and get informed.
Otherwise, I can only assume that you hate this country and would rather have a dictatorship. That's surely what your president is aiming for.
---Joseph
_______________________________________________
Please go read the entire thread. You will see the Nazi scumbags Wuz and Turbo in all their glory, defending treason and pretending no laws were broken in the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame.
OMFG!!! The Nazi apologists King of Nitpickers and Francis Lee Turbo think they can somehow absolve Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Dick Cheney from having committed obvious treason through legalistic nitpicking. Go and read the entire thread. You will see how Turbo and Wuz think they can create enough confusion and doubt with their Nazi bullshit and nitpicking to obscure the obvious facts --
Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Dick Cheney committed clear and unambiguous treason by outing the covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. Rove, Libby, and Cheney committed this treason for the disgusting motive of discrediting a serious exposer of the WMD lies, Joe Wilson. Rove, Libby, and Cheney should be tried for treason and executed publicly after being convicted.
George Bush not only authorized this treason, but had contemporaneous knowledge of the treasonous plot to out Valerie Plame. Bush has also committed treason. He should be impeached and removed from office. Then we should see if we can find another example of treason by Bush. Shouldn't be too hard. Then we should try to convict the impeached Bush for treason, so we can publicly execute him also.
But I digress. Let's see if the post of the Wuz sockpuppet will give us internet headers from Google Groups.
Yup. Here they are --
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!postnews.google.com!i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "WuzYoungOnceToo" mailto:wuzyoungonce...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on Plame ssue
Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:17:16 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 43
Message-ID: 1157465836.574593.112920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
References: <1156941507.450135.206530@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <300820062020374857%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157046809.594477.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <310820062222326754%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157118822.955236.29060@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <020920061113196915%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157389755.377575.223020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> 040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.0.171.210
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157465842 10376 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 14:17:22 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:17:22 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: 040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.0.171.210;
posting-account=Jsb7AwwAAACChiJH6kg0YtPNyg7F7La6
OK. The paths are different, but I got the Hiroshima Facts Internet Headers from my newsreader, which got the message header from the Earthlink news servers, while I got the WuzYoungOnceToo Internet Headers from Google Groups. That explains the different paths.
The NNTP Posting Host is 64.0.171.210. Not the same as Hiroshima Facts NNTP Posting host IP address, 66.103.250.151. Someone help me out here. Does this prove conclusively that Hiroshima Facts and Wuz are not one and the same? Or can you have different NNTP Posting Hosts within a short period of time?
Of course, Wuz could have accounts with two different ISPs. That would also give different NNTP Posting Hosts, would it not?
While waiting for someone more knowledgeable about interpreting Internet Headers than me to clarify the issue, is there anything else in the Internet Headers for Hiroshima Facts and Wuz which shows they are coming from the same source?
Let's compare the Hiroshima Facts and Wuz Internet Headers side by side to see the similarities --
Hiroshima Facts --
Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: hiroshima_facts@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT: the lies and bullshit of RMHisCOOL, part 1
Date: 4 Sep 2006 19:26:44 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 86
Message-ID: <1157423204.359621.190630@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
References: <LEQKg.2813$v%4.687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
<1157393882.482068.246900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<Li2Lg.6228$xQ1.3917@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.103.250.151
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157423210 3839 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 02:26:50 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 02:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.103.250.151;
posting-account=O_tAuw0AAACWI6W0znjUQK6KkBqvL2hC
Xref: news.earthlink.net rec.gambling.poker:1599995
X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:26:51 PDT (newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net)
Wuz --
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!postnews.google.com!i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "WuzYoungOnceToo" wuzyoungonce...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Subject: Re: OT - No "Mia Culpa's" from the Liberals on Plame Issue
Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:17:16 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 43
Message-ID: 1157465836.574593.112920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
References: <1156941507.450135.206530@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <300820062020374857%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157046809.594477.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <310820062222326754%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157118822.955236.29060@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <020920061113196915%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net> <1157389755.377575.223020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.0.171.210
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1157465842 10376 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2006 14:17:22 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:17:22 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: 040920062355126541%joe_mion@ceeoecks.net
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.0.171.210;
posting-account=Jsb7AwwAAACChiJH6kg0YtPNyg7F7La6
Wow! A LOT of identical entries. Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address. Several other headers are also identical. Does this prove that Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo?
As I said previously, I am no expert in interpreting Internet Headers. In fact, you can see from the way I have stumbled around, I don't know much at all on this subject.
Can one of you internet geeks help me out here?
I guess I have to leave the investigation here for now. I am convinced Hiroshima Facts = WuzYoungOnceToo. Both are posting from Google Groups using a yahoo.com email address. Other Internet Headers are identical.
Both posters are ultranationalistic Nazis. Hiroshima Facts defends obvious American atrocities in World War II. Wuz defends obvious treason by Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Libby. Both are endlessly argumentative nitpickers who will never concede they are wrong about anything.
The modus operandi is exactly the same. The MO of the King of Nitpickers.
So, King of Nitpickers, care to confirm or deny that Hiroshima Facts and WuzYoungOnceToo are both your sockpuppets?
posted by William Coleman at 12:31 AM
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